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Bmw M3 E36 3.2 Turbo 600Hp - 4SALE -
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 17:27
by Vision79
Bmw Patte´s M3:a - Vinterprojekt 2007/2008
Fullskinn med all utrustning o stora HK ljudanläggningen
- Siemens 720cc Högohm
- 2 x Walbropumpar 255lp/h
- Spa Grenrör
- Tial Wastegate 44 eller 46
- E85
- GT3082R A/R 1.06
- MLS 3mm
- ARP
- Morristech standalone styrsystem (skall troligast köras som ett piggyback)
- Laddtrycksstyrning
- Organisk lamell
- Värre tryckplatta
- Polerad Intercooler
Orörd motor, bara lägre kompression!
Vanos inkopplad! , full körbarhet inga kostigheter! , daliy driver aka 7-4 åka till jobbet bil, fara o sladda o krulla lite asfalt på helgerna
Patte finns här på forumet men har inte lika slipat munläder som mig säger han..så jag sköter tråden
Follakungen!!
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 17:42
by T39m
Ser ut att kunna bli skit bra de där
vet ni någon som testat spa grenröret tidigare?
ligger ju hyffsat bra till i pris...
Mvh Jimmy
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 17:55
by Vision79
T39m wrote:Ser ut att kunna bli skit bra de där
vet ni någon som testat spa grenröret tidigare?
ligger ju hyffsat bra till i pris...
Mvh Jimmy
Det är en hel del i USA som kör med detta , sedan finns det liknande som andra tuning distributörer marknadsfört, fördel är ju att det inte spricker som ett i stål gör.
Jag vet 4st i Sundsvall som kommer ut till 2008 med SPA grenrör. , allt mellan 400-700hk
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 18:10
by wuffee
TEAM SKÖN RACING wrote:T39m wrote:Ser ut att kunna bli skit bra de där
vet ni någon som testat spa grenröret tidigare?
ligger ju hyffsat bra till i pris...
Mvh Jimmy
Det är en hel del i USA som kör med detta , sedan finns det liknande som andra tuning distributörer marknadsfört, fördel är ju att det inte spricker som ett i stål gör.
Jag vet 4st i Sundsvall som kommer ut till 2008 med SPA grenrör. , allt mellan 400-700hk
Stål grenrör spricker förmodligen pga handhavande fel med svetsen... Riktigt svetsat så håller de ju, inte stålet fel direkt
..
ser jävligt nice ut de här för övrigt
Mvh
Uffe
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 19:01
by maleckis
Hello. Do you speak English? Could I ask you a few questions?
Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 20:08
by Vision79
maleckis wrote:Hello. Do you speak English? Could I ask you a few questions?
Sure, shoot
Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 16:26
by maleckis
That’s great. Thanks.
How much psi are you going to boost? Are you going to do some other changes inside of the engine except for a head gasket and ARP studs? When we were turbo charging my euro M3 S50B30 we tried to put GT3582R on down-mounted exhaust manifold. It didn’t work, because the turbo was too low and we had problems with oil drain line. The turbo exhaust manifold was custom, not bought as yours. We were trying to do similar one as spa manifold is. Must you do any modifications to fit spa manifold and GT30 (I mean a supporting bracket, etc.)? What fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are you going to use? I use stock fuel pump and FPR so far. My boost is equal to 6 psi.
I don’t want to dirty your project thread, but if you want me to send you some pictures of my turbocharged M3 I will do it via PM.
Good luck!
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 10:27
by Vision79
maleckis wrote:That’s great. Thanks.
How much psi are you going to boost? Are you going to do some other changes inside of the engine except for a head gasket and ARP studs? When we were turbo charging my euro M3 S50B30 we tried to put GT3582R on down-mounted exhaust manifold. It didn’t work, because the turbo was too low and we had problems with oil drain line. The turbo exhaust manifold was custom, not bought as yours. We were trying to do similar one as spa manifold is. Must you do any modifications to fit spa manifold and GT30 (I mean a supporting bracket, etc.)? What fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are you going to use? I use stock fuel pump and FPR so far. My boost is equal to 6 psi.
I don’t want to dirty your project thread, but if you want me to send you some pictures of my turbocharged M3 I will do it via PM.
Good luck!
Hey Maleckis!
The problem you are describing i belive is caused when puting the turbo below the engine bracket..? , if use custom engine bracket u will get the turbo in good place over the oillevel..and the oildrain will work just fine, i think for ex PPF use a type of oilpump when putting it lower?! , i belive i saw this in some project here.
The turbo we have bolts on to the manifold, we have done custom bracket for engine mount so it clears for intake air.
We have no plans to change anything with the engine exept Arp/Mls..we have studied pistons and they look forged in my eyes and pretty good buildup..Bmw made rocket engines before and i cant see any diffrent in strenght in this one.
I belive 600hp is a "safe zone" on a stock motor like this...but i really dont know...time will tell
We will use dual walbrofuelpumps 255lp/h and a Aeromotive fuelregulator, AN8 to fuelrail and AN6 back to tank, this is optimal for the M3 when using original fueltank.
u can send some pictures at
jonas@tradus.se if you want
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 12:02
by maleckis
Why are you going to use 2 fuel pressure regulators? Isn’t one fuel pressure regulator enough? If I want to buy a fuel pressure regulator (only 1) which one would you suggest/recommend me to buy? Are you going to install those 2 fuel pumps inside of a fuel tank or outside of?
We have stock engine bracket and we didn’t do a custom one then. We decided to put a turbocharger on a top-mounted exhaust manifold, because there was no room except for oil drain problems. An intake pipe had to been situated too low.
I think M3 pistons are not forged. Some time ago I was talking to the man, who shaven pistons down in S50B30 and boosted 1.0bar. After few rides at a race track pistons gave up. I don’t know how it is called in English… Those places between pistons ring were cracked.
I sent you via PM link to the gallery album of my M3.
Thank you for your time!
Cheers,
Maleckis.
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 12:34
by Vision79
maleckis wrote:Why are you going to use 2 fuel pressure regulators? Isn’t one fuel pressure regulator enough? If I want to buy a fuel pressure regulator (only 1) which one would you suggest/recommend me to buy? Are you going to install those 2 fuel pumps inside of a fuel tank or outside of?
We have stock engine bracket and we didn’t do a custom one then. We decided to put a turbocharger on a top-mounted exhaust manifold, because there was no room except for oil drain problems. An intake pipe had to been situated too low.
I think M3 pistons are not forged. Some time ago I was talking to the man, who shaven pistons down in S50B30 and boosted 1.0bar. After few rides at a race track pistons gave up. I don’t know how it is called in English… Those places between pistons ring were cracked.
I sent you via PM link to the gallery album of my M3.
Thank you for your time!
Cheers,
Maleckis.
Yes u said the ringland crack..this is common on cast pistons!
- 2 fuelpump inside tank!
- 1 fuelregulator..NOT 2
(this is good
http://www.pure-pf.com/webshop/ppf_webs ... cts_id=209)
I cant tell sure...but the pistons dont have the marks after the cast molding...it also looks like a forged piston!, but i cant tell 100% sure...this is 3,2 -97 M3...not 3.0..if diffrents..i dont know either..
But as said before...time will tell the outcome
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 12:42
by Bäckis
600hp with stock pistons??
Talk to wallin on this forum, he tried....
I belive that 400 i safe, 500 will last for a while and 600 will be a short but funny time running the engine with booooost.
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 12:52
by NORMIND
haha... så han fick den inte såld eller försökte han aldrig ?
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 13:01
by Vision79
NORMIND wrote:haha... så han fick den inte såld eller försökte han aldrig ?
Patte?
Han är en velpelle
, men vi kanske måste tänka om lite ang vevstakar o kolvar...3,2 är trots allt en ganska dyr motor att skjuta
Vi får se...diskuteras med folk som har lite susning at the moment
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 13:07
by NORMIND
TEAM SKÖN RACING wrote:NORMIND wrote:haha... så han fick den inte såld eller försökte han aldrig ?
Patte?
Han är en velpelle
, men vi kanske måste tänka om lite ang vevstakar o kolvar...3,2 är trots allt en ganska dyr motor att skjuta
Vi får se...diskuteras med folk som har lite susning at the moment
jo var ju han jag menade...
kan ju vara en bra ide att få den att hålla då... sen spelar det väl inte så stor roll om det är en billig eller dyr motor är ju lika tråkigtendå när det rasar för att man snålat...
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 13:17
by Vision79
NORMIND wrote:TEAM SKÖN RACING wrote:NORMIND wrote:haha... så han fick den inte såld eller försökte han aldrig ?
Patte?
Han är en velpelle
, men vi kanske måste tänka om lite ang vevstakar o kolvar...3,2 är trots allt en ganska dyr motor att skjuta
Vi får se...diskuteras med folk som har lite susning at the moment
jo var ju han jag menade...
kan ju vara en bra ide att få den att hålla då... sen spelar det väl inte så stor roll om det är en billig eller dyr motor är ju lika tråkigtendå när det rasar för att man snålat...
Ja..ja tror nästan vi får ändra lite i schemat
..dock till d possitiva!
Ngn form av H-profilstake samt en smiddkolv typ Wössner eller Wiseco kanske..nya lager i bottendelen osv.
Vet ej vad vi ska köra för packning...har en 3mm Mls nu men den blir väll ev till salu alt kanske vi kan byta in den mot en i std storlek...Pyramidringa är ett alt men kanske "overkill" på detta bygge...men vi får se
Har ni ideer o funderingar så Shoot!!!
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 13:52
by maleckis
TEAM SKÖN RACING wrote:NORMIND wrote:TEAM SKÖN RACING wrote:NORMIND wrote:haha... så han fick den inte såld eller försökte han aldrig ?
Patte?
Han är en velpelle
, men vi kanske måste tänka om lite ang vevstakar o kolvar...3,2 är trots allt en ganska dyr motor att skjuta
Vi får se...diskuteras med folk som har lite susning at the moment
jo var ju han jag menade...
kan ju vara en bra ide att få den att hålla då... sen spelar det väl inte så stor roll om det är en billig eller dyr motor är ju lika tråkigtendå när det rasar för att man snålat...
Ja..ja tror nästan vi får ändra lite i schemat
..dock till d possitiva!
Ngn form av H-profilstake samt en smiddkolv typ Wössner eller Wiseco kanske..nya lager i bottendelen osv.
Vet ej vad vi ska köra för packning...har en 3mm Mls nu men den blir väll ev till salu alt kanske vi kan byta in den mot en i std storlek...Pyramidringa är ett alt men kanske "overkill" på detta bygge...men vi får se
Har ni ideer o funderingar så Shoot!!!
What are you talking about, guys?
When will you start turbocharging? Are you going to upgrade clutch, pressure plate, etc.? Now I have everything stock and clutch slips sometimes. I would like to think all possibilities over. I read somewhere that putting pressure plate from BMW 3.0d is a good idea. What do you think?
Regards,
Chris.
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 14:07
by Bäckis
The 3.0D has a weak clutch that often fails on stock cars with just chiptuning, so I belive that it's a bad idea.